Curse

upier · Jul 10, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

I can accept it, this isn't a complaint thread, I'm just curious about the mentality behind it.

Look at for example the Greater Guardian Spear. Gold versions of that are not really much rarer than purple versions, both are exactly the same skin whether purple or gold, yet one is worth more than the other yet there is no distuinguishing feature that sets either apart bar the colour of the font describing it.

For example (for sake of arguement) I could have a R9 15^50, 20/20, +30, purple Greater Guardian Spear and it would still be worthless to someone wanting to buy a nice skin spear. It would be looked down on because it's purple, despite the above mentioned, despite the indifferences.

The point here being that people are driven by the colour of the items font more than the item itself.

Why wouldn't the bolded part be enough for the difference in price?
They ARE different.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by upier

Why wouldn't the bolded part be enough for the difference in price?
They ARE different.

I don't find the difference in font colour warrants a massive price gap if the skin and mods on both items in question are exactly the same in my opinion.

In alot of cases a purple version can be made totally worthless because of this which I think is kind of stupid if it looks and performs the same.

upier · Jul 10, 2009, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

I don't find the difference in font colour warrants a massive price gap if the skin and mods on both items in question are exactly the same in my opinion.

In alot of cases a purple version can be made totally worthless because of this which I think is kind of stupid if it looks and performs the same.

Bolded the important parts.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by upier

Bolded the important parts.

Of course you did.

The whole point of this discussion is to see what other peoples opinions are on the subject and discuss them.

Braxton619 · Jul 10, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

Well since i'm rich, I buy all the gold ones. No purple ones.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 10, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

The only real difference is that people like gold more than purple. Its a nicer color to some and its a higher rarity. Depending on the skin, I would pay the same price as the gold version. But I'm a bit odd when it comes to that. For example, my main character and all his heroes use green items.

One of my characters uses all gold and one uses all purple including hero items. I doubt I will use all blue as I don't really like the color of blue in this game. Gold is the most expensive color in the game. Purple is the bling, without a doubt. But gold is the bling bling.

But I like green the most because it comes with the best stats.

upier · Jul 10, 2009, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Of course you did.

The whole point of this discussion is to see what other peoples opinions are on the subject and discuss them.

But the discussion here can only go one way:
1. you state your opinion.
And your opinion is correct.
2. someone else states a completely contradictory opinion.
And that opinion is ALSO correct.

And we have done that.
So this discussion is effectively over unless we do a 50 pages of +1s.
Basically from now on this thread is pretty much equal to asking if one likes male paragon skirts?

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by upier

But the discussion here can only go one way:
1. you state your opinion.
And your opinion is correct.
2. someone else states a completely contradictory opinion.
And that opinion is ALSO correct.

And we have done that.
So this discussion is effectively over unless we do a 50 pages of +1s.
Basically from now on this thread is pretty much equal to asking if one likes male paragon skirts?

Ok, if that is what you believe then no point in you posting here anymore then is there?

Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

The only realy difference is that people like gold more than purple. Its a nicer color to some and its a higher rarity. Depending on the skin, I would pay the same price as the gold version. But I'm a bit odd when it comes to that. For example, my main character and all his heroes use green items.

One of my characters uses all gold and one uses all purple including hero items. I doubt I will use all blue as I don't really like the color of blue in this game. Gold is the most expensive color in the game. Purple is the bling, without a doubt. But gold is the bling bling.

But I like green the most because it comes with the best stats.

Well any item can have the best stats if you mod it yourself.

I think the only greens I really like are Shiros Blades for my Assassin.

arcanemacabre · Jul 10, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Publilus Syrus: Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Publilus Syrus: Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.

This is very true, but it is also worth what the seller will sell it for aswell.

jaximus · Jul 10, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

this discussion hasnt really gone back far enough to reveal the reason. back in the prof/factions early days, golds where the only items that had max inherents. purples could go up to ~13-14^50 if i recall, but not 15^50. i cant find the exact page, but heres something close http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Purple and from that point, purples were labled as not as good as golds, because, they werent. then when nf can gwen came about and things became inscribable and purples came in max inscribable versions, they became equals, but they couldnt shake the preset notions. people dont like to change and this is just an example. so as for price and color, with inscribable versions, they should for all functionality related purposes be the same, but people like gold better because its what used to be good.

as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets)

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by jaximus

this discussion hasnt really gone back far enough to reveal the reason. back in the prof/factions early days, golds where the only items that had max inherents. purples could go up to ~13-14^50 if i recall, but not 15^50. i cant find the exact page, but heres something close http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Purple and from that point, purples were labled as not as good as golds, because, they werent. then when nf can gwen came about and things became inscribable and purples came in max inscribable versions, they became equals, but they couldnt shake the preset notions. people dont like to change and this is just an example. so as for price and color, with inscribable versions, they should for all functionality related purposes be the same, but people like gold better because its what used to be good.

as for me, i use both, as long as they are max with the mods i want, i dont really care about the color, because aside from me, noone can see them and i dont intend to sell my weapons so they are all customized (except wands/defensive sets)

Best response so far, and an interesting one too.

Surely given what is said here purples should actually be worth more than what they used to be because of the inherent factors described here?

jray14 · Jul 10, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

I do prefer gold weapons and certain skins over others, but probably not for the usual reasons:

1. Yellow has always been my favorite color, and I get some enjoyment out of seeing yellow text flash by when I'm hovering over my weapon set icons.

2. I like the big skins that stand out well against typical backgrounds (e.g., Long Sword, Hand Axe, Briarwood Scythe, Kersh's Staff) because it helps me better put myself in the shoes of my character and imagine it's really me whipping that thing around. It's more engaging to see a big flashy swinging arc.

However, I don't even consider buying (or passing up an opportunity to sell) really expensive stuff when I can get an equivalent blue or purple for far less. I like to spend a lot of money on lockpicks and perfect salvage kits and outfitting all my heroes on all my mains. That > gold weaps.

I also prefer to be seen with boring mismatched gear, because I feel more at home with the live-off-the-land look-at-the-stats types when I'm in a grouping mood. Plus I feel like it helps bring me back from the edge when I'm tempted to do something elitist.

False Maria · Jul 10, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Since I play spellcasters almost exclusively, gold weapons are much more valuable to me than purples or greens because of the simple fact that they are only good to me as things to sell. I gave my characters their Staves and Foci long ago (purples and greens for the most part) and any new weapon I run into is only good to sell not to keep. Since no one will buy purples, I only care for golds.

arcanemacabre · Jul 10, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

This is very true, but it is also worth what the seller will sell it for aswell.

Unless the seller can't sell it. Which would be the case if they tried to sell a purple for the going rate as a gold of the same skin.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Unless the seller can't sell it. Which would be the case if they tried to sell a purple for the going rate as a gold of the same skin.

I guess that depends on the mentality of both people in trade and the reasons for the trade.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 10, 2009, 09:09 PM // 21:09

IIRC, some greens can not be replicated through modifying weapons. Some greens truely are unique.

HawkofStorms · Jul 10, 2009, 09:27 PM // 21:27

I hardly EVER purchase anything for another player. I think I've bought... 3 weapons total in 4 years of playing. So, wouldn't ever come up for me.

Edit: @Unreal Havoc. Unfortunately no, purples are not worth more. Instead, due to inscriptions, golds are worth a lot less. Stuff worth 100k+25e is now worth 1k. I guess, relative to the value of the golds, purples are worth more, but with the crash of the GW market, I wouldn't say it matters much anymore.

Tenebrae · Jul 10, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

If someone offered you an item that was purple, yet exactly the same skin as it's gold counterpart, would you buy it for the same price?

No

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

If not then why do you value the gold version over the purple if the skin and mods are exactly the same?

Rarity , also based on Drop % .

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

If you value the gold versions more over the purple versions, why don't you buy the purple versions as you can obviously get the same skin but at a cheaper price?

I would buy them if im fan of the skin and they are insc ofc.

it doesnt matter if you CONSIDER something gold to have more value that the same skin item with same stats but purple or not , they are and thats a fact.

Items only have 3 things :
Stats ( damage , base damage , insc or not )
Skin ( cool , not cool , it depends on your opinion )
Rarity ( % drop , places where it drops , gold/purple/blue color )

Those things determine the items value whether you like it or not , thats it .

Unreal Havoc · Jul 10, 2009, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Rarity , also based on Drop % .

In regards to rarity I don't see how a skin is so rare if there is a same skinned purple version that isn't uncommon to get hold of. Doesn't that make the skin less rare and more common? (PROWORD being "skin")

I mean if it's R7 or R8 then I can understand where rarity would make a difference, but if both are R9 then there is absolutely no difference. It's all literally based on the colour of the items font and nothing more.

That's the part I really don't get with the mentality behind it all.